Seguimento - Incêndios 2023
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DrFog
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Last 2 weeks fires in Portugal and Spain, why so much more (and bigger) fires in PT than in SP? The vast majority no doubt due to negligence.
LMMS
Nimbostratus
Wind...Last 2 weeks fires in Portugal and Spain, why so much more (and bigger) fires in PT than in SP? The vast majority no doubt due to negligence.
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"Charneca" Mundial
Super Célula
Because of very bad planning of the territory. Some regions of Spain, like Galicia or Asturias, also experience the same problems that most of Portugal (with the exception of the Alentejo) faces, but they're not the majority of regions - urban and regional planning in most of Spain is actually very good these days. In Portugal? Not so much.Last 2 weeks fires in Portugal and Spain, why so much more (and bigger) fires in PT than in SP? The vast majority no doubt due to negligence.
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Spain also has a much bigger police presence per capita compared to Portugal. The Guardia Civil in Spain is everywhere, whereas in Portugal, outside of big cities and average-sized town, you hardly see any cops around, sometimes for weeks...
DrFog
Cirrus
Interesting, thanks.
In Portugal there is now this project, which uses IR cameras, drones and AI do do an early detection of possible forest fires, and a very early warning should prevent it from propagating into an incontrollable fire:
www.ciclope.com.pt
But all these fires and the big size of the burnt areas means that something is not working well indeed.
In Portugal there is now this project, which uses IR cameras, drones and AI do do an early detection of possible forest fires, and a very early warning should prevent it from propagating into an incontrollable fire:
Ciclope
www.ciclope.com.pt
But all these fires and the big size of the burnt areas means that something is not working well indeed.
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Caranguejeira: reacendimento 4 dias depois da última conclusão, e estando em vigilância? 
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Incêndio na Serra de Sintra-Cascais! Início às 23h37!
As coordenadas no Maps indicam localização a norte do Monte do Silêncio, no Campo Base da Pedra Amarela mas o marcador situa na encosta sueste do Monte do Silêncio, perto já da entrada do Pisão e desvio para a Mula.
As coordenadas no Maps indicam localização a norte do Monte do Silêncio, no Campo Base da Pedra Amarela mas o marcador situa na encosta sueste do Monte do Silêncio, perto já da entrada do Pisão e desvio para a Mula.
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StormRic
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As 25 conclusões da Auditoria ao financiamento pelos municípios de corpos e associações de bombeiros (página 101):
1.-As políticas públicas nacionais relativas ao financiamento dos bombeiros revelam muitas
fragilidades, pondo em causa a implementação de um serviço de bombeiros com uma
efetiva cobertura a nível nacional: não se encontra definido o desempenho padrão dos
corpos de bombeiros em função dos riscos e características de cada território e
consequentemente não se conhece o custo estimado dos meios humanos, técnicos e
materiais necessários para o cumprir;
2.-Não resultou evidente existir uma estratégia que garanta níveis mínimos de qualidade e
prontidão em todo o território nacional e que gere condições para uma utilização eficiente e transparente dos dinheiros públicos;
...
9.-Com a informação disponível, que é incompleta e que revela, ela própria, algumas incoerências, conclui-se existirem grandes disparidades relativamente ao financiamento municipal às AHB face ao financiamento da ANEPC. Em 2019, os apoios concedidos pelos municípios às AHB variaram entre o quádruplo e os 10% do montante financiado pela ANEPC;
10.-Os apoios concedidos pelas várias entidades de natureza pública não são objeto de uma análise integrada que permita, por um lado, garantir a sua adequação e, por outro, excluir a possibilidade de existir duplicação de financiamento, nomeadamente ao nível das
infraestruturas e equipamento;
...
Não sei se será este o melhor tópico para inserir esta notícia; talvez os moderadores tenham um melhor tópico onde inserir minha postagem.
1.-As políticas públicas nacionais relativas ao financiamento dos bombeiros revelam muitas
fragilidades, pondo em causa a implementação de um serviço de bombeiros com uma
efetiva cobertura a nível nacional: não se encontra definido o desempenho padrão dos
corpos de bombeiros em função dos riscos e características de cada território e
consequentemente não se conhece o custo estimado dos meios humanos, técnicos e
materiais necessários para o cumprir;
2.-Não resultou evidente existir uma estratégia que garanta níveis mínimos de qualidade e
prontidão em todo o território nacional e que gere condições para uma utilização eficiente e transparente dos dinheiros públicos;
...
9.-Com a informação disponível, que é incompleta e que revela, ela própria, algumas incoerências, conclui-se existirem grandes disparidades relativamente ao financiamento municipal às AHB face ao financiamento da ANEPC. Em 2019, os apoios concedidos pelos municípios às AHB variaram entre o quádruplo e os 10% do montante financiado pela ANEPC;
10.-Os apoios concedidos pelas várias entidades de natureza pública não são objeto de uma análise integrada que permita, por um lado, garantir a sua adequação e, por outro, excluir a possibilidade de existir duplicação de financiamento, nomeadamente ao nível das
infraestruturas e equipamento;
...
Não sei se será este o melhor tópico para inserir esta notícia; talvez os moderadores tenham um melhor tópico onde inserir minha postagem.
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Área afectada pelo incêndio de Odemira:
Imagem Sentinel-2 L2A Infravermelho de dia 12 Agosto. Padrão da escala= 1 Km
Aumento 10x no bordo Oeste da área do incêndio, Odeceixe, padrão da escala= 100 m
Imagem Sentinel-2 L2A Infravermelho de dia 12 Agosto. Padrão da escala= 1 Km
Aumento 10x no bordo Oeste da área do incêndio, Odeceixe, padrão da escala= 100 m
DrFog
Cirrus
Some hope to prevent fires in PT from growing too big, with many burning fronts and becoming difficult to contain. If there is an initial well coordinated attack with those airplanes, each one delivering at least 6000 litres of water, then the fires should not become uncontrollable:
"Because many forests are burning in Europe, the EU is creating its own fire-fighting aircraft for the first time. The member states will also help each other out with machines - two of which are in Germany.
The colour of hope is yellow. When the forests in Europe are burning like this summer, on Rhodes and near Athens, on Cyprus and Sicily, in Spain and Portugal, the fire brigade on the ground sometimes has no chance without water from above. Then you first hear the whirring of the propellers, see a spot on the horizon, and soon a large yellow device with a wingspan of almost 30 meters casts its shadow ahead, flying low over the seat of the fire. It releases more than 6,000 litres of water in order to fill up again in the nearest body of water. The Canadair CL - 415, legendary fire-fighting aircraft, the best-selling in the world, mostly painted in rich yellow with red accents, has helped to prevent many an inferno. If only there were more of that on the old, burning continent.
That's what the EU Commission thought too. A few days ago, it announced that it wanted to buy its own aircraft to fight forest fires for the first time. An EU fleet of its own, paid for with EU money, in addition to the pool of 28 aircraft provided so far by the member states. The authority wants to sign sales contracts for up to twelve machines with the manufacturer De Havilland Canada this year, said Civil Protection Commissioner Janez Lenarčič. Twelve more would procure Croatia, France, Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal. The first example of the DHC - 515 , the successor to the CL - 415 , could be delivered in three and a half years, with a larger water tank and more assistance systems. The last in 2030.
An emergency centre in Brussels distributes emergency services
The fires of the past decade not only left burnt landscapes in their wake, but also made an impression on disaster relief workers. If there was a fire in several places in different countries at the same time, the EU's civil protection procedure quickly reached its limits. EU member states and nine non-EU countries activate it when an emergency exceeds national capacities. Then the EU emergency centre in Brussels jumps in and distributes emergency services, in the event of fire or flood disasters.
Four years ago, the Commission expanded the procedure with a program called rescEU, which was put to the test for the first time the following year with the outbreak of the pandemic. For fire protection, rescEU has so far maintained the aforementioned pool of 28 aircraft: 14 large Canadair and 14 small aircraft, which belong to and are stationed in various member states, plus four helicopters and 450 firefighters. Half a dozen requests for help were already received in Brussels in 2023, mainly because of the forest fires that destroyed an area the size of Saarland this year.
According to experts, airplanes are not the only solution for vegetation fires, but they can help. Especially on the Mediterranean, where the fire brigade is often slower than the wind, which fans a fire and carries it further. But also in Germany, where there were reservations about own fire-fighting aircraft before the droughts and fires of recent years. Two single-engine light aircraft belonging to the EU reserve have been stationed at Braunschweig-Wolfsburg Airport since June. They are constantly operational until the end of October."
www.sueddeutsche.de
"Because many forests are burning in Europe, the EU is creating its own fire-fighting aircraft for the first time. The member states will also help each other out with machines - two of which are in Germany.
The colour of hope is yellow. When the forests in Europe are burning like this summer, on Rhodes and near Athens, on Cyprus and Sicily, in Spain and Portugal, the fire brigade on the ground sometimes has no chance without water from above. Then you first hear the whirring of the propellers, see a spot on the horizon, and soon a large yellow device with a wingspan of almost 30 meters casts its shadow ahead, flying low over the seat of the fire. It releases more than 6,000 litres of water in order to fill up again in the nearest body of water. The Canadair CL - 415, legendary fire-fighting aircraft, the best-selling in the world, mostly painted in rich yellow with red accents, has helped to prevent many an inferno. If only there were more of that on the old, burning continent.
That's what the EU Commission thought too. A few days ago, it announced that it wanted to buy its own aircraft to fight forest fires for the first time. An EU fleet of its own, paid for with EU money, in addition to the pool of 28 aircraft provided so far by the member states. The authority wants to sign sales contracts for up to twelve machines with the manufacturer De Havilland Canada this year, said Civil Protection Commissioner Janez Lenarčič. Twelve more would procure Croatia, France, Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal. The first example of the DHC - 515 , the successor to the CL - 415 , could be delivered in three and a half years, with a larger water tank and more assistance systems. The last in 2030.
An emergency centre in Brussels distributes emergency services
The fires of the past decade not only left burnt landscapes in their wake, but also made an impression on disaster relief workers. If there was a fire in several places in different countries at the same time, the EU's civil protection procedure quickly reached its limits. EU member states and nine non-EU countries activate it when an emergency exceeds national capacities. Then the EU emergency centre in Brussels jumps in and distributes emergency services, in the event of fire or flood disasters.
Four years ago, the Commission expanded the procedure with a program called rescEU, which was put to the test for the first time the following year with the outbreak of the pandemic. For fire protection, rescEU has so far maintained the aforementioned pool of 28 aircraft: 14 large Canadair and 14 small aircraft, which belong to and are stationed in various member states, plus four helicopters and 450 firefighters. Half a dozen requests for help were already received in Brussels in 2023, mainly because of the forest fires that destroyed an area the size of Saarland this year.
According to experts, airplanes are not the only solution for vegetation fires, but they can help. Especially on the Mediterranean, where the fire brigade is often slower than the wind, which fans a fire and carries it further. But also in Germany, where there were reservations about own fire-fighting aircraft before the droughts and fires of recent years. Two single-engine light aircraft belonging to the EU reserve have been stationed at Braunschweig-Wolfsburg Airport since June. They are constantly operational until the end of October."
Die Feuerwehrflotte der EU
Wegen der zunehmenden Waldbrände kauft die EU erstmals selbst Löschflugzeuge.
www.sueddeutsche.de
StormRic
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Bombeiros controlaram rapidamente reacendimento em Odemira e chamas em Cascais
Fogo voltou ao concelho de Odemira, mas foi prontamente dominado. Durante a noite de sábado para domingo, as chamas regressaram também à serra de Sintra.
www.publico.pt
algarvio1980
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Incêndio em Monchique quase 200 operacionais e 10 meios aéreos.
PS: Dominado
PS: Dominado
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